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16 July 2006 @ 12:38 pm
Take that slash!  
As someone who has never seen the appeal or the obsession over slash - it's not hot, it's way over done and is getting extremely boring - it is rather amusing to see people going off on one over DMC.

The Jack/Will shippers are going ape ("I hate it when someone gets in the way of a good slash pairing") and the Elizabeth hate is all over the place. The het fans are going "woo-hoo!' Now we have two canonish pairings!" In a way it is kind of a victory for het and that makes me smile no end. Slash was once an interesting , small side of the fic community, looking at something different. Now it is almost the norm and has become increasingly dull.

Seriously, Jack and Will as lovers is no where near as interesting as what we see on the film. Their uneasy, untrusting, antagonistic friendship is fascinating and gets ignored way too much. The triangle between J/E/W is interesting, even though I'm 99.9% certain that it'll end up as W/E - Jack is exciting and interesting to her, part of the freedom she craves, but she loves Will.

Some people see Jack as slightly camp, personally, I don't. Like Gibbs said in the first film, the suggestion is that the heat stroke he got whilst stranded on the island sent him a little mad. He's also half drunk most of the time. He's more unstable than camp - and certainly not effeminate as I've seen some writers portray him. If you ignore the staggering and the jewelry he's actually very blokey.

So, in conclusion - go canon het! It's nice to see you back! I'll stop rambling now...
contagionbubonicplague on July 16th, 2006 01:16 pm (UTC)
Fucking word on slash being the norm - m/m, that is. Note how there's never any f/f. Considering the fact that most fic writers are women, I think it a shame that no one will bother to write about pussies. I used to think it was objectification. Now I think much of it stems from self-loathing.
doylefan22: captain jack sparrowdoylefan22 on July 16th, 2006 01:58 pm (UTC)
I always wondered why femslash wasn't as popular or as widely written. I think it comes down to the fact that a lot of writers don't find it as 'hawt'.
keeping it vaguely imaginary...: Kiss kiss // _butterstick__kali__ on July 16th, 2006 02:08 pm (UTC)
Our Jack suffers from loving rum and shiny things, plus he runs like a girl (which can not be denied, just watch him run across the beach towards the Pearl - not that that's a bad thing of course).

I did have a point, but it's run off and escaped me. pah.
doylefan22: captain jack sparrowdoylefan22 on July 16th, 2006 03:20 pm (UTC)
Rum, shiny things, his own life, the Pearl and, on occassion, Elizabeth; these are the things Jack loves. :D
keeping it vaguely imaginary...__kali__ on July 17th, 2006 06:54 pm (UTC)
He loved his dirt too, until it cruelly betrayed him.
doylefan22doylefan22 on July 17th, 2006 07:22 pm (UTC)
Aww....Jack and his dirt...Loved is little sulky "I want my jar of dirt" line.

Jack/Dirt = OTP
Shonaillekalikahuntress on July 16th, 2006 02:24 pm (UTC)
I'm not a fan of any shipper wars myself and I can't say I agree with your assessment of slash being boring, seeing as I'm a slasher myself. And seeing as slash is never canon, I must have never noticed when the het dissapeared, I always thought it was there.
doylefan22: captain jack sparrowdoylefan22 on July 16th, 2006 03:29 pm (UTC)
I don't go in for the whole shipperwars thing either but sometimes being a non-fan of slash (seriously, nothing against it, it just bores me - the whole concept has become very stale through over saturation) is like being a social leaper fandom-wise. SGA is one of the relatively few fandoms that has a very healthy and active het and gen areas.

As I said, slash was once a very interesting side route. Since it has become the norm in many fandoms it lost any appeal it has had to me. I tend to find m/m friendships far more interesting - John and Rodney for example. The dynamic of them as friends is fascinating but put slash into there and the interest disappears for me.

I also tend to be a bit of canon nazi for unknown reasons. Keeping gay characters gay (like Jack Harkness) and I have no problem with slash and will happily read it. But turning canonically straight characters gay...I don't know, it just doesn't seem right too me. They seem too OOC. You know, I think it is the AU-ness of it all that puts me off the most. I don't really read majorly AU stuff and I think in my mind slash comes under that umbrella.
Shonaillekalikahuntress on July 16th, 2006 03:37 pm (UTC)
I'd say the say the same thing for John/Elizabeth, John/Teyla and McKay/Weir, I enjoy the friendship more than the romance and I think romance with them would destroy the dymanics. I like to keep my slash and het out of the show and keep the subtext it's more fun that way. As for being stale, I respect that it's your opinion but I don't see het being any less or more stale than any other type of shipping.
As for the AU thing, slash is no more AU than McKay and Weir acting sweet with each other.
doylefan22: captain jack sparrowdoylefan22 on July 16th, 2006 04:07 pm (UTC)
As for the AU thing, slash is no more AU than McKay and Weir acting sweet with each other.

See, I think it is. Canon considers both of them to be heterosexual and therefore it wouldn't be beyond reason to think that something might happen between them. It could easily happen in canon.

From what we know of John and Rodney so far they're both definitely heterosexual, so to suddenly make them homosexual does feel very OOC to me. You're changing a fundamental part of the character as written, therefore it's AU. Or at least much more AU.

As I said, if they were portrayed as gay or at least ambigious on the show, I'd probably be more likely to read and enjoy slash fic about them. I think for me it is too AU.

To be honest, SGA is fairly good and all the het and slash people tend to get on fairly well. There are some very...millitant fandoms out there though who will pretty much insist that all the male character's are gay and if anyone says otherwise they're either blind or homophobic.

There's kind of an obsession with slash in some fandoms and to be honest I've never really seen the fascination. :D
Shonaillekalikahuntress on July 16th, 2006 04:19 pm (UTC)
I get that, I guess I was just a bit wary of where this discussion was going when you have a title that says 'Take that slash'.
doylefan22: captain jack sparrowdoylefan22 on July 16th, 2006 04:37 pm (UTC)
Nah, no harm meant. Just a not so subtle tongue in cheek dig at those with the mentality that slash is the only way. Some fandoms are scary like that.