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09 July 2009 @ 10:37 pm
Well the proverbial has really hit the fan...  
So, people have seen Torchwood Day 4 and...

...predictably some fans are going ballistic. RTD will soon need bodyguards and there's many cries of 'he's ruined the show! no one will watch it now! I'm never watching it again!'.

Personally, I can't have anything but praise for the writers here. A brilliant 4 episodes so far, the bravery to kill off another main character is to be commended and John's acting has been great (unlike in previous series where I found him somewhat patchy at times). Gwen's character has also been handled brilliantly this series, really liking her.

I think people overestimate fandom if they believe the death of Ianto will kill off the series. Yes, he was very popular in fandom. But 6 million people have watched this series and the hardcore fans make up a very small percentage of that. I can't see millions of them switching off just like that as some claim.

I didn't cry. My reaction was more "that was sad, poor Ianto...*moves on*'. Because I liked Ianto but was never exactly invested in him. He just never really did anything of interest for me. I was far more affected by the demise of Tosh and Owen who I'll continue to miss far more. Even so, all these deaths are 'right' in a way - TW is supposed to be a dangerous job that you don't grow old in (see icon!). Gwen is designed to be the exception - at least she's trying to be and Jack's trying to make it happen. And, considering how many people he's seen fall at TW, you can increasingly see why.

So, with just Jack and Gwen left, we're going to need some new recruits. Lois would be obviously (and welcome). Personally I'm still hoping for Mickey too because I loved his character development.
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Misa: Alonemisaditas on July 9th, 2009 09:56 pm (UTC)
IF Torchwood comes back... the Hub is gone and the "team" is down to two, and Jack's move against the aliens wasn't exactly a ringing success so would maybe even the government will disband it.
doylefan22: suzie-torchwooddoylefan22 on July 9th, 2009 10:06 pm (UTC)
I suspect the ending will be left in such a way that they could end it there or decide 'Torchwood must carry on! We'll rebuild and get a new team to honour our friends by continuing their work!'
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Susansuekay_87 on July 9th, 2009 10:26 pm (UTC)
I *hated* Ianto with a passion...I'm happy he might not be in it anymore :D
reggietatereggietate on July 9th, 2009 10:40 pm (UTC)
I thought it was a bold move in one way, but why do it in another? One dead character, maybe two, but three is pushing it a bit, particularly as they'd just got onto the Beeb 1, presumbably on the strength of the remaining cast who were working quite well in this series.

I like Lois, and I was never a great fan of Ianto, but I'd still sooner have had them both in the team, rather than lose Ianto. Don't think it will kill the series by any means, but it will certainly kill off quite few fans' love of the series. Several on my flist are pretty unhappy about it.

I don't think it ever occurs to these writers who think killing characters is really clever, that a lot of the fans, even ordinary ones, will be watching most of the shows, or at least several of them, and since practically all of them seem to have decided to murder several popular characters recently, or in some cases most of the cast, it'll piss quite a few people off when it happens yet again.
doylefan22: suzie-torchwooddoylefan22 on July 10th, 2009 07:15 am (UTC)
Thing is though, I don't think the writers should ever change the story because they're afraid of some of the fan's reaction. That's utterly wrong from a writing pov - they shouldn't be forced to do fan service because they're scared of upsetting people.

Two things we've always known about TW - Jack is destined to be alone and no one survives very long in the job. The end of Ianto was inevitable based upon those two things.

People are saying they are going to miss his character but the vast majority of those are Jack/Ianto shippers who are going to miss the pairing more. Ianto himself was almost completely defined by his relationship with Jack. He had little beyond that. Probably why I can't be too bothered about his death and why I considered him nice enough but basically uninteresting.
Misa: TW: Children of Earthmisaditas on July 10th, 2009 07:30 am (UTC)
Jack is destined to be alone

Point.

And yeah Ianto was formed around Jack, but I found with this arc that he was becoming more of a personality, which is why I'm pissed.

That, and it was a pointless death and I am sick of those. I hate writers that kill a character just because they can. And yeah, it exists in real life, but if I wanted real life, I'd sit through the news.

I don't watch sci fi to see main characters die.
reggietatereggietate on July 10th, 2009 09:07 am (UTC)
Thing is though, I don't think the writers should ever change the story because they're afraid of some of the fan's reaction. That's utterly wrong from a writing pov - they shouldn't be forced to do fan service because they're scared of upsetting people.

In general, I do agree with you there. It just seemed a bit like overkill after losing two of the team already. Most of the more casual fans probably won't mind either way, but the more invested are likely to be upset, so why do it? I don't think the story would havbe been harmed too much if it hadn't happened.

People are saying they are going to miss his character but the vast majority of those are Jack/Ianto shippers who are going to miss the pairing more. Ianto himself was almost completely defined by his relationship with Jack

Which is the writer's fault to begin with :-) I've never found him that interesting myself, but I'm sure they could have done more with him if they'd tried. In fact, he was just starting to get more interesting.

Of course, it's always possible they'll double-whammy us and bring him back to life in some clever way, but I doubt it - for one thing they've done that with Owen. Though last night as I lay in bed I did think about the way Ianto had asked about what it was like to die and come back to life. Foreshadowing his own return in some way? Probably not, but it made me wonder just a bit. Personally I don't think they could do something like that without losing credibility in the drama, but for the sake of my flisters who are fed up of losing their favourite characters, it would be nice.
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dynamite with a laser beam: Torchwood Fanservice51stcenturyfox on July 10th, 2009 05:34 am (UTC)
TW is supposed to be a dangerous job that you don't grow old in (see icon!).

True. I'd love to see Lois and Mickey is pretty great, too.

It's very sad Ianto's gone, and I feel deep empathy for everyone upset about this, but I'll continue to watch.